Sales Kick Off (SKO) Meetings Statistics: USA 2026
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Sales kick-off meetings have moved beyond being annual pep talks to high-impact moments where strategy is set, teams are aligned, and sales performance is shaped for the year ahead. From leadership involvement and event structure to content priorities, keynote speakers, storytelling, and the growing role of AI, SKOs reveal how organizations are balancing motivation with execution.
To find out what 282,881 opinions of C-Suite leaders in the US were about sales kick off meetings, we utilized AI-driven audience profiling to synthesize insights from online discussions over 12 months, ending on June 10th, 2026, to a high statistical confidence level. These insights highlight how C-suite leaders are rethinking what it takes to engage teams, drive alignment, and turn big-picture strategy into real commercial momentum.
Index
- 36% of C-suite leaders hold formal sales kick off meetings annually, 26% do so quarterly, 21% hold SKOs twice a year, and 18% work on an ad hoc or as-needed basis
- 65% of C-suite leaders’ SKOs are rarely fully virtual, but 35% say that their format varies year to year, indicating a change in preferences depending on current circumstances
- For 91% of C-Suite leaders, over 500 people in their sales team attend their SKO, while for 9%, under 25 people attend, showing a huge variation in team sizes
- C-Suite leaders agree that CEOs are fully responsible for SKO outcomes, and 25% agree that there should be shared responsibility amongst the leadership team; however, 38% agree that individual sales managers should not be responsible for SKO outcomes
- 97% of C-Suite leaders’ involvement in SKO design varies each year, and only 3% delegate fully to sales enablement, pointing to clear trends in required input
- 76% of C-Suite leaders’ top priority for their SKO is to strengthen cross-functional collaboration but for 7% this isn’t a goal at all, 3% are prioritizing introducing new sales methodologies or tools, while 3% agree this is an important goal, and 4% disagree, saying it’s not a goal at all, a further 3%’s top priority for SKOs is to motivate and energize their sales force, while 2% aim to align the sales team on annual targets or strategies
- Keynote speakers or inspirational sessions are the content element that 91% of C-Suite leaders believe is absolutely essential at an SKO as it drives the most value, and 5% agree these add good value, while 3% feel that leadership Q & A and strategy sessions are absolutely essential, and conversations around sales skills training and workshops, product or roadmap updates, and peer-to-peer recognition and awards don’t feature
- For 57% of C-Suite leaders, storytelling is embedded throughout all their SKO sessions, 11% include internal sales leaders sharing customer success stories, 10% rely on an external keynote speaker focused on storytelling, and 5% use structured story frameworks in workshops; however, 18% don’t formally incorporate storytelling into their SKOs
- 35% of C-Suite leaders select external speakers for their SKOs based on industry reputation and speaker bureau referrals, and 22% rely on peer recommendations from other C-suite leaders, but 43% say they rarely use external speakers, giving no indication of how they select them when they do
- Emotional intelligence and buyer empathy are the SKO topics that 56% of C-Suite leaders wish got more attention, while 26% agree it could use more focus, 9% share the same sentiments about AI tools and sales technology, and 6% agree this topic needs much more attention, while 3% feel the same about competitor intelligence and market positioning
- 87% of C-Suite leaders’ organizations usually run their SKO over 3 days, and 12% run it over 2 days, indicating a preference for longer durations rather than shorter time spans
- Keeping attendees engaged throughout is a significant challenge for 94% of C-Suite leaders with their SKOs, while the remaining 6% battle with ensuring that the post-SKO momentum is maintained
- 21% of C-Suite leaders are currently using AI for personalized outreach and content, 1%for forecasting and pipeline management, and 1% for AI-powered prospecting and lead scoring, but 77% have not yet adopted AI in sales The story doesn’t end with the keynote
- For only 10% of C-Suite leaders AI adoption is a core agenda item and major focus of SKOs, and is somewhat included for 8%, compared to the 4% who say it’s not really included, 27% do not include AI adoption at all but agree they should, 2% briefly mentioned it, 21% plan to include this focus topic next year, and 27% say it’s not relevant to their team, so they don’t include it
- 37% of C-Suite leaders rate their last SKOs overall impact as poor, with minimal impact on teams or results, another 37% felt there was below expectations and had low engagement, while only 13% said that their SKOs overall impact was average and had some value, and 13% felt there was strong as their team was energized and focused
- More tailored, team-specific content would help 55% of C-Suite leaders invest more in their next SKO, and 9% say this is a top priority, while 21% list proven link to revenue growth as a top priority, and 15% as something that would help them to invest more
- An evolving SKO model
- About the data
How often do C-suite leaders’ organizations hold formal sales kick off (SKO) meetings?
36% of C-suite leaders hold formal sales kick off meetings annually, 26% do so quarterly, 21% hold SKOs twice a year, and 18% work on an ad hoc or as-needed basis.
The regularity of SKOs varies:
Gartner reported that, in 2023, 46% of organizations planned an in-person SKO, with the leading expected benefit being account-planning sessions that help drive closed won deals.
For our audience of C-suite leaders, the frequency of formal sales kick-off meetings varies, but everyone is holding them at some stage or another. 36% hold an SKO annually, making it the most common approach. A further 26% conduct these meetings quarterly, while 21% bring teams together twice a year.
Meanwhile, 18% take a more flexible route, holding SKOs on an ad hoc or as-needed basis. This could be as often as monthly or as seldom as once a year, and indicates a preference for tailoring sales alignment and training to changing business priorities, market conditions, or major product launches rather than following a fixed schedule.
John Livesay agrees: “In my 20 years of giving keynote talks, the firms that have SKOs twice a year are the ones that have the biggest impact because it keeps the momentum going.”
What format does C-suite leaders’ SKO meetings primarily take?
65% of C-suite leaders’ SKOs are rarely fully virtual, but 35% say that their format varies year to year, indicating a change in preferences depending on current circumstances.
SKOs don’t fit into a single type of format:
At C-suite-led organizations, SKO meetings are structured in two primary ways. Fully virtual formats account for 65%, though they are rarely used as the default approach. For 35%, the SKO format varies from year to year and is seldom the standard format.
This flexibility ties in with the way many organizations work today. With remote and hybrid working now firmly established, sales teams are increasingly spread across multiple locations. According to Statista’s 2025 report on remote and home-office work, around 1 in 5 US adults works from home regularly. As a result, many organizations are adapting their SKO programs, choosing virtual formats or changing them to best suit their teams, business goals, and working arrangements.
John Livesay disagrees: “Now that the COVID pandemic is over, 95% of the keynotes I give at SKO are live not virtual as corporate leaders value in person connection.”
What size sales team attends SKO meetings at C-suite leaders’ organizations?
For 91% of C-Suite leaders, over 500 people in their sales team attend their SKO, while for 9%, under 25 people attend, showing a huge variation in team sizes
Small and large teams are in attendance:
Sales kick-off meetings appear to be large-scale events for most of the organizations in our audience. An overwhelming 91% of C-suite leaders have more than 500 people attending their SKO, while just 9% report sales team attendance of fewer than 25.
While these figures are vastly different, the large attendance is not unexpected given the size of many US organizations. According to the US Census Bureau, the Health Care and Social Assistance sector alone employs more than seven million people across thousands of establishments with 500 or more employees.
Bringing hundreds of sales professionals together simultaneously allows organizations to share strategy, align teams, and reinforce company goals, showing the scale at which many sales organizations now operate.
John Livesay says, “I agree; in my experience, the average size of a keynote audience is 300 people.”
Who is accountable for SKO meetings outcomes in C-suite leaders’ organizations?
C-Suite leaders agree that CEOs are fully responsible for SKO outcomes, and 25% agree that there should be shared responsibility amongst the leadership team; however, 38% agree that individual sales managers should not be responsible for SKO outcomes
Ownership is clear-cut either way:
Accountability for SKO outcomes appears to sit primarily at the highest levels of leadership. Among our audience, 38% of CEOs are fully responsible for SKO results, revealing the strategic importance many organizations place on these events. A further 25% report that accountability is shared across the leadership team, suggesting a collaborative approach to planning, execution, and follow-through.
Yet, 38% of individual sales managers are not responsible for overall SKO outcomes. This distinction shows that while sales managers play a key role in implementing strategies and supporting their teams, ownership of event success is often tied to broader organizational goals set by senior leadership. It also indicates that organizations increasingly view SKOs as business-wide strategic initiatives rather than standalone sales department activities.
“When everyone takes ownership for the success of the SKO, including hiring the right speaker who customizes the talk, then the results are stellar!” agrees John Livesay.
How involved are C-suite leaders in SKO meetings design?
97% of C-Suite leaders’ involvement in SKO design varies each year, and only 3% delegate fully to sales enablement, pointing to clear trends in required input
One clear involvement pattern emerges:
C-suite leaders appear to take a flexible, hands-on approach to sales kick-off design. 97% of our audience have varied levels of involvement from year to year, while just 3% fully delegate responsibility to sales enablement teams.
This is the nature of C-suite leadership, where executives set strategy but adjust their involvement based on business priorities. Rather than taking the same approach year after year or handing ownership to another team, many leaders tailor their participation to each SKO’s goals, helping ensure the event remains relevant and aligned with the organization’s current direction.
John Livesay agrees because the CEO usually introduces him as the keynote speaker. They are very involved in every detail.
What do C-suite leaders want SKO meetings to achieve?
76% of C-Suite leaders’ top priority for their SKO is to strengthen cross-functional collaboration but for 7% this isn’t a goal at all, 3% are prioritizing introducing new sales methodologies or tools, while 3% agree this is an important goal, and 4% disagree, saying it’s not a goal at all, a further 3%’s top priority for SKOs is to motivate and energize their sales force, while 2% aim to align the sales team on annual targets or strategies.
Goals tackle different directions:
One objective stands well above the rest when it comes to sales kick offs. Among our audience, 76% of C-suite leaders identify strengthening cross-functional collaboration as their top priority, while conversely, just 7% feel it is not a goal at all. Research has found that 84% of marketing leaders and employees experience significant “collaboration drag” when working across functions. Understandably, then, many organizations view SKOs as valuable opportunities to break down silos and strengthen teamwork across departments.
Other objectives rank much lower as leading priorities: 3% cite introducing new sales methodologies or tools as their top goal, and another 3% describe it as an important goal. However, new methodologies are not a main focus for approximately 1%, while 4% do not see it as a goal at all.
Also on the lower end of the scale are conversations about motivating and energizing the sales force, which is the top priority for 3%, while 2% place the greatest emphasis on aligning sales teams around annual targets and strategy. Launching new products or services ranks as the top goal for approximately 1%, pointing to the fact that the main focus of most SKOs extends beyond any single initiative.
Remark- Disagree John Livesay Today getting collaboration is not enough. Leaders expect the keynote speaker to not only inspire but give actionable takeaways that move the needle starting right away. That usually includes new mindsets and frameworks on how to tell compelling stories.
Which content element do C-suite leaders believe drives the most value at SKO meetings?
Keynote speakers or inspirational sessions are the content element that 91% of C-Suite leaders believe is absolutely essential at an SKO as it drives the most value, and 5% agree these add good value, while 3% feel that leadership Q & A and strategy sessions are absolutely essential, and conversations around sales skills training and workshops, product or roadmap updates, and peer-to-peer recognition and awards don’t feature.
One content element dominates at SKOs:
When assessing which content element delivers the most value at an SKO, C-suite leaders show a remarkably strong preference for keynote speakers and inspirational sessions. 91% of our audience considers this content absolutely essential, while a further 5% believe it adds good value. By comparison, leadership Q&A and training sessions are viewed as absolutely essential by 3% of leaders.
Other content types receive comparatively limited emphasis as primary value drivers. Less than 1% identify sales skills training and workshops as absolutely essential, and even fewer find they add good value. Less than 1% employ product or roadmap updates as the main driver of SKO value, while peer-to-peer recognition and awards are considered absolutely essential by less than 1%.
The focus of conversations shows how many organizations view SKOs as more than training or information-sharing events. C-suite leaders appear to place the greatest importance on SKO sessions that inspire, align, and energize teams, helping set the tone for the year ahead and reinforcing broader organizational goals.
John Livesay says, “The best keynote speakers make an impact that people reference for the rest of the event.”
How do C-suite leaders incorporate storytelling into their SKO meetings?
For 57% of C-Suite leaders, storytelling is embedded throughout all their SKO sessions, 11% include internal sales leaders sharing customer success stories, 10% rely on an external keynote speaker focused on storytelling, and 5% use structured story frameworks in workshops; however, 18% don’t formally incorporate storytelling into their SKOs.
For most, storytelling is a crucial part of SKOs:
Research has shown that storytelling can help professionals frame business challenges as meaningful journeys, making complex goals more relatable and inspiring. By using this approach, C-suite leaders can strengthen connections in their organization between strategy, customer success, and day-to-day sales activities.
With so many positive benefits, it’s good to see that storytelling plays a significant role in many sales kick-off events, although organizations take different approaches to incorporating it. 57% of our audience embed storytelling throughout all sessions, making it the most common strategy by a wide margin. Meanwhile, only 18% do not formally incorporate storytelling into their SKOs. But this does not mean they don’t include it at all; it just means that it is not included in a formalized format or even done so consciously.
Other approaches include having an internal sales leader share customer success stories (11%), bringing in an external keynote speaker focused on storytelling (10%), and using structured story frameworks in workshops (5%).
It’s evident from this split that many organizations see storytelling as a valuable tool for creating engagement and reinforcing key messages, though the data points to a preference for weaving narratives throughout the event rather than limiting them to a single session.
John Livesay agrees. “Once audiences learn how to tell their own story of origin, the company story and a case story, they become magnetic and memorable.”
How do C-suite leaders select external speakers for their SKO meetings?
35% of C-Suite leaders select external speakers for their SKOs based on industry reputation and speaker bureau referrals, and 22% rely on peer recommendations from other C-suite leaders, but 43% say they rarely use external speakers, giving no indication of how they select them when they do.
Selection is driven by referrals, reputation, and recommendations:
Approaches to selecting external speakers for SKO events vary across organizations, with many leaders choosing not to rely heavily on outside presenters. 43% of C-suite leaders say they rarely use external speakers, and they don’t provide information on where they’d source them from if they did.
However, those that do number over 50%. And for them, industry reputation and speaker bureau referrals are the most common speaker selection methods, cited by 35% of our audience. Another 22% turn to peer recommendations from fellow C-suite executives when identifying potential speakers.
These findings show the enduring strength of the referral, recommendation, and reputation trifecta. A strong industry reputation builds confidence, referrals from speaker bureaus provide a level of vetting, and recommendations from trusted peers offer real-world validation. These three signals reduce uncertainty and make it easier for executives to choose speakers they believe will deliver value and resonate with their teams.
John Livesay disagrees. “The majority of people realize they need an outside expert in the form of a keynote speaker to get their team to change their behavior. Interviewing speakers has become the norm, versus just relying on a referral.”
What SKO meeting topic do C-suite leaders wish got more attention?
Emotional intelligence and buyer empathy are the SKO topics that 56% of C-Suite leaders wish got more attention, while 26% agree it could use more focus, 9% share the same sentiments about AI tools and sales technology, and 6% agree this topic needs much more attention, while 3% feel the same about competitor intelligence and market positioning.
A few topics need to be talked about more:
C-suite leaders see a clear opportunity to devote more attention to the human side of selling during sales kick-offs. A whopping 56% of our audience wants to see emotional intelligence and buyer empathy receive more attention at SKOs, while another 26% believe these tactics could use more focus.
By comparison, AI tools and technology are viewed as needing much more attention by 6% of leaders, with a further 9% believing they could benefit from additional emphasis. Competitor intelligence and market positioning rank lower still, with 3% identifying them as topics that need much more attention.
The strong interest in emotional intelligence and buyer empathy may reflect growing recognition of their role in sales success. Research has linked higher emotional intelligence with stronger sales performance, showing that understanding customer pain points, motivations, and concerns can have a meaningful impact on outcomes. This ties in with the findings, indicating that many C-suite leaders are looking beyond technology and products and placing greater value on soft skills that help sales professionals build trust, strengthen relationships, and better connect with buyers.
John Livesay agrees. “In the AI era, showing human empathy is more crucial than ever before.”
How long do SKO meetings typically run for C-suite leaders’ organizations?
87% of C-Suite leaders’ organizations usually run their SKO over 3 days, and 12% run it over 2 days, indicating a preference for longer durations rather than shorter time spans.
Preferences for SKO duration are very similar:
The vast majority of SKOs appear to follow a similar timeline. 87% of C-suite leaders run their SKOs for three days, making it by far the most common format. Another 12% report that their event lasts two days. In contrast, almost no organizations hold SKOs lasting only half a day (0%), one full day (0%), or four days or longer (0%).
The results indicate that many companies view two to three days as the ideal balance between depth and efficiency. A multi-day event provides time for strategy discussions, team-building activities, training sessions, and keynote presentations while still maintaining a practical schedule for sales teams.
John Livesay says, “Most events are between 2 to 3 days to give people enough time to bond and learn.”
What is the biggest challenge C-suite leaders face with SKO meetings?
Keeping attendees engaged throughout is a significant challenge for 94% of C-Suite leaders with their SKOs, while the remaining 6% battle with ensuring that the post-SKO momentum is maintained.
One challenge is the most common:
Keeping attendees engaged throughout the event is the single biggest challenge facing C-suite leaders at SKO meetings, with 94% identifying it as a significant concern. By comparison, only 6% view maintaining momentum after the SKO as their primary challenge. This implies that leaders are increasingly focused on creating meaningful, high-impact experiences during the event itself, recognizing that engagement is the foundation for long-term success.
The emphasis on engagement is understandable given broader workplace trends. American Society of Employers research shows that only 11% of meetings are considered productive, while 45% of workers feel overwhelmed by the number of meetings they attend.
In addition, 55% admit to checking email during virtual meetings, and 47% say meetings are their biggest time waster. Against this backdrop, SKO leaders appear determined to avoid the pitfalls of meeting fatigue by prioritizing participation, interaction, and attention.
John Livesay agrees and says it is crucial to get a keynote speaker who grabs and keeps an audience’s attention.
How is AI currently used in C-suite leaders’ sales processes?
21% of C-Suite leaders are currently using AI for personalized outreach and content, 1%for forecasting and pipeline management, and 1% for AI-powered prospecting and lead scoring, but 77% have not yet adopted AI in sales.
AI sales adoption is low:
While 81% of sales teams report using AI in some capacity, AI adoption in sales remains limited among the C-suite leaders in our audience. More than three-quarters (77%) have not yet adopted AI in their sales processes.
Among those already using the technology, 21% rely on AI for personalized outreach and content, highlighting a growing interest in tailoring sales communications more effectively. Meanwhile, just 1% use AI for forecasting and pipeline management, and another 1% use AI-powered prospecting and lead scoring.
Notably, none of the leaders currently use AI for sales coaching and call analysis.
This huge contrast with broader industry trends, where AI is increasingly being embedded into core sales functions such as forecasting, enablement, and performance optimization, suggests that many C-suite-led organizations may still be in the early stages of experimentation rather than full-scale adoption.
Remark- John Livesay agrees and says AI can help analyze what went right so you can duplicate it as well as what went wrong so you can avoid repeating it.
Do SKO meetings include AI adoption as a topic at C-suite leaders’ organizations?
For only 10% of C-Suite leaders AI adoption is a core agenda item and major focus of SKOs, and is somewhat included for 8%, compared to the 4% who say it’s not really included, 27% do not include AI adoption at all but agree they should, 2% briefly mentioned it, 21% plan to include this focus topic next year, and 27% say it’s not relevant to their team, so they don’t include it.
AI adoption as a topic isn’t always prioritized:
AI adoption takes on different levels of importance at SKO events. Among organizations where AI is not yet a focus topic but is seen as necessary, 12% believe AI is absolutely central to their discussions, 9% report it is somewhat included, 4% barely address it, and 2% do not include it at all.
Meanwhile, 10% have AI as a core agenda item, absolutely central to their SKO, while 8% include it to some extent. Smaller shares report it as barely addressed (2%) or not included at all (2%).
Other organizations are still evaluating AI’s role. Among those planning to include it in the next year, 8% consider it absolutely central, 11% say it is somewhat included, 2% barely address it, and less than 1% include it at all.
For teams that view AI as irrelevant to their team, 4% believe it is absolutely central, and 4% somewhat included, to 7% barely addressed, and 12% not included at all. Finally, 1% consider brief mentions of AI to be absolutely central, another 1% say it is somewhat included, and less than 1% barely address it.
Given that 88% of organizations now use AI in at least one business function, it’s positive to note that many leaders are actively determining how prominently AI should feature in their SKO agendas.
John Livesay agrees. “Human stories are more important than ever as people start to use AI more and more. It not enough to present data but turn that data into stories that people see themselves in.”
How do C-suite leaders rate the overall impact of their last SKO meeting?
37% of C-Suite leaders rate their last SKOs overall impact as poor, with minimal impact on teams or results, another 37% felt there was below expectations and had low engagement, while only 13% said that their SKOs overall impact was average and had some value, and 13% felt there was strong as their team was energized and focused.
Impact ratings of recent SKO events reveal significant opportunities for improvement. 37% of C-suite leaders rated their latest SKO as below expectations with low engagement. An equal 37% rated their events as poor, delivering minimal impact on either team performance or business results. At a whopping 74%, these figures prove that many organizations are still working to find the right balance of content, delivery, and follow-through to make SKOs more effective.
At the same time, there are small yet encouraging signs. 13% of leaders described their last SKO as average, noting that it provided some value while leaving room for improvement. Another 13% reported a strong outcome, noting their teams left energized and focused.
The low positive responses point to the growing importance of creating engaging, action-oriented events. Organizations that successfully align SKO content with team goals may be better positioned to turn inspiration into measurable results throughout the year.
John Livesay offers a virtual follow up to the keynote to maximize the impact.
What would make C-suite leaders invest more in their next SKO meeting?
More tailored, team-specific content would help 55% of C-Suite leaders invest more in their next SKO, and 9% say this is a top priority, while 21% list proven link to revenue growth as a top priority, and 15% as something that would help them to invest more.
Two core elements would drive future SKO investment:
C-suite leaders appear to be seeking a clear balance between relevance and measurable outcomes when deciding whether to invest more in SKO events. More tailored, team-specific content emerged as the most widely supported factor, with 9% of our audience identifying it as a top priority and a further 55% believing it would help justify greater investment. This suggests that leaders value SKOs that address the unique challenges, goals, and responsibilities of their teams rather than relying on a one-size-fits-all approach.
At the same time, demonstrating a proven link to revenue growth remains a powerful motivator. 21% of leaders consider this a top priority, while another 15% believe it would help them decide to invest more.
These findings indicate that both personalization and performance matter. Leaders want events that feel directly relevant to their teams while also delivering tangible business value, helping transform SKOs from annual gatherings to strategic drivers of growth and engagement.
An evolving SKO meeting model
These findings show how sales kick-off meetings continue to play a central role in how C-suite leaders set direction, align teams, and energize their sales organizations. Across formats, structures, and priorities, one theme is consistent. SKOs are evolving into highly strategic events rather than routine gatherings.
While approaches vary widely, leaders are increasingly focused on clarity, collaboration, and impact, ensuring that time spent together translates into meaningful action once teams return to their day-to-day roles. From leadership alignment to storytelling, and from content design to technology adoption, SKOs are becoming more purposeful.
At the same time, the findings highlight a clear opportunity for organizations to refine how they engage teams and measure success, particularly as expectations around effectiveness and outcomes continue to rise.
Clearly, SKOs remain a key moment in the sales calendar, but their value now depends on how well they connect strategy, people, and performance in rapidly changing business environments.
About the data
Sourced using Artios from an independent sample of 282,881 opinions of C-suite leaders in the USA across X, Quora, Reddit, Bluesky, TikTok, and Threads. Responses are collected within a 95% confidence interval and 5% margin of error. Results are derived from what people describe online, from opinions expressed, and not actual questions answered by people in the sample.
Top Storytelling Keynote Speaker Statistics: USA 2026
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A powerful story can inspire, motivate, and change the way people think, but only if it’s told by the right person. As organizations continue to invest in keynote speakers to create memorable event experiences, the factors that influence speaker selection have become just as important as the stories themselves.
To find out what 234,185 opinions of meeting planners in the US were about the top storytelling keynote speakers, we utilized AI-driven audience profiling to synthesize insights from online discussions over 12 months, ending on June 10th, 2026, to a high statistical confidence level. The results reveal what builds trust, drives booking decisions, and separates a compelling speaker from a truly memorable one.
Index
- 48% of meeting planners always book a storytelling keynote speaker for an awards ceremony or gala dinner, 45% always book a speaker for an association or trade industry summit and 1% often book for these events, 3% always book these speakers for team training or professional development days, 2% do so for annual sales kickoffs or company conferences, and 1% always book for leadership or executive retreats
- A storytelling keynote speaker’s social media presence and following is the most important factor for 44% of meeting planners when shortlisting speaker options, it’s a strong influence for 43%, and some influence for 3%, while past event testimonials and reviews are the most important factor for 2%, 6% agree these have a strong influence, and 2% say they have some influence over their shortlist decisions
- While storytelling keynote speaker’s signature topic or framework first captures 20% of meeting planners attention when looking at their profiles and 6% find this relevant, 18% first look for media appearances and press features, and 12% find this somewhat relevant, 21% are first captivated by credentials and corporate experience they find somewhat relevant, and 15% say that audience engagement style is an important factor, followed by 6% who feel the same about high profile client logos catching their attention, and 2% who see this as having partial relevance
- 52% of meeting planners evaluate a speaker’s fit before booking by checking references from similar events, 38% review their published content and books, 7% request a live discovery or chemistry call to gauge the connection, 2% read audience survey feedback, and 2%watch full-length keynote recordings to weigh up their suitability
- 48% of meeting planners assess a storytelling keynote speaker’s quality by the originality of their storytelling framework, 39% rely on audience feedback scores from past events, and 13% on stage presence in demo videos
- The breadth of options available is absolutely essential to 54% of meeting planners in their current keynote speaker provider, and 24% find this very important, while transparent and straightforward pricing is crucial for 6%, 8% find it very important, 1% very important, and 2% not important at all, while 3% cite an ongoing relationship beyond the event as absolutely essential for a provider
- The ability to customize content to their audience is somewhat important for 47% of meeting planners when making a final selection of storytelling keynote speaker, while it’s a strong influence for 12%, and another 12% find chemistry during the discovery call somewhat important. 5% feel the same about strong referrals from trusted peers, but 6% say this has a strong influence on their final decisions, followed by 9% who are influenced by a speaker’s reputation in their industry, and 7% who are swayed by proven ROI from past keynotes
- A virtual keynote via Zoom or similar platform is the ideal format for 89% of meeting planners, and it’s a good option for 2%, but it’s not 7%’s preference, while just 2% prefer a keynote followed by a breakout workshop as their chosen format
- 65% of meeting planners prefer to engage a storytelling keynote speaker directly through the speaker’s own website, 19% prefer to do so via a full-service speaker bureau, 14% prefer engaging with a speaker at a live showcase or preview event, 2% want to work through a preferred vendor list or RFP, and1% via a recommendation from a planner peer
- Building resilience through personal narrative is the storytelling theme that is somewhat relevant to 52% of meeting planners’ audiences, and winning clients through persuasion and pitch is somewhat relevant for 22%, while 14% find leadership storytelling for culture change somewhat relevant, but 11% don’t find this theme very relevant
- 83% of meeting planners work in organizations that fall under financial services and insurance, 15% are in healthcare and life sciences, and 2% in real estate and construction; all of these industries are very people-and worker-centric
- 40% of meeting planners are based in Chicago, 28% in Austin, 24% in San Francisco, 7% in New York City, and 2% in Los Angeles, creating a spread across major business hubs
- The story doesn’t end with the keynote
- About the data
What events do meeting planners commonly book a storytelling keynote speaker for?
48% of meeting planners always book a storytelling keynote speaker for an awards ceremony or gala dinner, 45% always book a speaker for an association or trade industry summit and 1% often book for these events, 3% always book these speakers for team training or professional development days, 2% do so for annual sales kickoffs or company conferences, and 1% always book for leadership or executive retreats.
Two types of events dominate speaker bookings:
Meeting planners’ online discussions about storytelling keynote speakers are heavily focused on celebratory, high-profile business events.
Awards ceremonies and gala dinners generate the most conversation, with 48% of meeting planners indicating that they always book storytelling keynote speakers for these events. Association and trade industry summits follow closely behind, with 45% always booking a storytelling speaker for these events, while a further 1% often do so. These two event categories dominate the conversation due to the strong connection between storytelling and audience engagement at large gatherings.
Other event types attract considerably less attention. 3% of our audience always books storytelling keynote speakers for training or professional development days, while 2% book for annual sales kick-offs and company conferences. Leadership and executive retreats generate the smallest share of conversation, with 1% of meeting planners always booking storytelling keynote speakers.
This suggests that storytelling speakers are most closely associated with events designed to inspire, celebrate achievements, or bring large groups together, but that they also have a place in smaller, more intimate settings.
What influences meeting planners’ shortlisting decisions when finding a storytelling keynote speaker?
A storytelling keynote speaker’s social media presence and following is the most important factor for 44% of meeting planners when shortlisting speaker options, it’s a strong influence for 43%, and some influence for 3%, while past event testimonials and reviews are the most important factor for 2%, 6% agree these have a strong influence, and 2% say they have some influence over their shortlist decisions
Shortlisting depends on various factors:
Online visibility dominates the discussion around how meeting planners shortlist storytelling keynote speakers. Social media presence and following account for the overwhelming majority of conversation, with 44% of our audience viewing it as the most important factor, 43% describing it as a strong influence, and 3% associating it with some influence. Mentions of social media being unimportant are almost non-existent, at less than 1%. The scale of this conversation reinforces the value placed on a speaker’s digital profile, audience engagement, and ability to build recognition beyond the stage.
Other influences generate far less attention. Past testimonials and reviews account for 2% of discussions around the most important factor, while 6% focus on them as a strong influence, and 2% as having some influence. A speaker’s published book or broader thought leadership attracts only a negligible share of conversation, with less than 1% considering it the most important factor.
A strong focus on being visible online
A 2023 consumer poll highlights the growing importance of online brand recognition when evaluating speakers, indicating that 90% of people support brands they follow on social media platforms such as TikTok, Facebook, and Instagram. Additionally, more than half (53%) of the consumers surveyed indicated an increased likelihood of supporting a business accessible through social media platforms.
Active social media platforms provide a window into a speaker’s personality, communication style, and audience connection, making it easier for planners to assess relevance and credibility before adding a candidate to their shortlist.
What aspect of a storytelling keynote speaker’s profile captures meeting planners’ attention?
While storytelling keynote speaker’s signature topic or framework first captures 20% of meeting planners attention when looking at their profiles and 6% find this relevant, 18% first look for media appearances and press features, and 12% find this somewhat relevant, 21% are first captivated by credentials and corporate experience they find somewhat relevant, and 15% say that audience engagement style is an important factor, followed by 6% who feel the same about high profile client logos catching their attention, and 2% who see this as having partial relevance.
Meeting planners’ attention is captured by a mix of a storytelling keynote speaker’s expertise, relevance, and presentation. Conversation is strongest around a speaker’s signature topic or framework, with 20% identifying it as an important factor and a further 6% viewing it as somewhat relevant.
Media appearances and press features also attract significant attention, generating 18% of conversation around important factors and 12% around somewhat relevant considerations. Meanwhile, credentials and corporate experience account for 21% of the discussion in the somewhat relevant category, indicating that professional background remains firmly on planners’ radar during the evaluation process.
Audience engagement style is identified as an important factor by 15%, emphasizing the value placed on a speaker’s ability to connect with a room and deliver memorable experiences.
Research shows that the presence of recognized client brands on a website can help reinforce credibility and trust by up to 70%, making them a valuable inclusion. However, amongst our audience, the display of high-profile client logos on a speaker’s profile isn’t a major talking point: just 6% agree they are an important factor in catching their attention at first, and 2% say they are somewhat relevant.
While reputation markers matter, meeting planners are clearly most interested in what a speaker talks about, how they communicate it, and whether their expertise aligns with the event’s goals.
How do meeting planners evaluate a storytelling keynote speaker’s fit before booking?
52% of meeting planners evaluate a speaker’s fit before booking by checking references from similar events, 38% review their published content and books, 7% request a live discovery or chemistry call to gauge the connection, 2% read audience survey feedback, and 2%watch full-length keynote recordings to weigh up their suitability.
When evaluating whether a storytelling keynote speaker is the right fit, meeting planners are heavily focused on proven performance in comparable settings. Checking references from similar events accounts for 52% of the conversation, making it the most frequently mentioned approach by a considerable margin.
Reviewing published content and books follows at 38%, highlighting the importance of understanding a speaker’s ideas, expertise, and communication style before making a booking decision. These two methods dominate the discussion, suggesting that meeting planners place significant value on evidence of experience and thought leadership.
Other evaluation methods attract far less attention. 7% of our audience requests a live discovery or chemistry call before booking, indicating that direct interaction plays a role, though it is not discussed as often as reviewing existing materials. Only 2% read audience survey feedback, while watching full-length keynote recordings generates just 1% of mentions.
This points to a preference for assessment tools that are easy to access and compare across multiple candidates. References and published content provide a clear picture of a speaker’s track record and perspective, helping planners build confidence in their decision before moving forward with a booking.
How do meeting planners assess storytelling keynote speaker quality?
48% of meeting planners assess a storytelling keynote speaker’s quality by the originality of their storytelling framework, 39% rely on audience feedback scores from past events, and 13% on stage presence in demo videos.
Speaker quality assessment relies on three main points:
Storytelling speaker quality is largely measured by the strength and originality of a speaker’s storytelling framework. Nearly half of meeting planners (48%) cite this factor as the most frequently referenced indicator of quality. The volume of attention suggests that meeting planners place significant value on speakers who bring distinctive ideas, fresh perspectives, and memorable narrative structures to their presentations.
Audience feedback scores from past events are used by 39% to assess speaker quality, which shows the importance of demonstrated audience engagement and real-world reception. Stage presence in demo videos accounts for 13% of the conversation, proving that presentation style remains relevant but attracts less attention than content and proven impact.
The ability to tell compelling stories is often viewed as a powerful communication and leadership tool that can build credibility, inspire action, and make complex ideas more memorable, which may explain why framework quality and audience feedback stand out so much with our audience.
What do meeting planners value most in a storytelling keynote speaker provider?
The breadth of options available is absolutely essential to 54% of meeting planners in their current keynote speaker provider, and 24% find this very important, while transparent and straightforward pricing is crucial for 6%, 8% find it very important, 1% very important, and 2% not important at all, while 3% cite an ongoing relationship beyond the event as absolutely essential for a provider.
Current providers need to deliver in key areas:
Conversations about keynote speaker providers are overwhelmingly focused on the breadth of speaker options. 54% of meeting planners rate this as an absolutely essential factor for their current provider, and 24% as very important, making it a dominant consideration by a wide margin. This concentration of discussion makes it clear that access to a diverse speaker roster is a priority, allowing planners to find the right fit for different audiences, themes, and event goals.
Other factors attract modest levels of attention. Transparent pricing is rated as absolutely essential for a keynote speaker provider by 6%, very important by 8%, somewhat important by 1%, and not important at all by 2%. Ongoing relationships beyond the event account for 3% who say it’s absolutely essential, with less than 1% agreeing it’s very important, and fewer than 1% who find it somewhat important.
Reliability and professionalism on event day, and the willingness to tailor content post-briefing, didn’t garner any opinions, as there’s a definite preference for choice and flexibility above all other provider attributes.
What drives meeting planners’ final selection of a storytelling keynote speaker?
The ability to customize content to their audience is somewhat important for 47% of meeting planners when making a final selection of storytelling keynote speaker, while it’s a strong influence for 12%, and another 12% find chemistry during the discovery call somewhat important. 5% feel the same about strong referrals from trusted peers, but 6% say this has a strong influence on their final decisions, followed by 9% who are influenced by a speaker’s reputation in their industry, and 7% who are swayed by proven ROI from past keynotes.
Drivers behind final decisions differ somewhat:
When choosing a storytelling keynote speaker, audience relevance takes center stage. 47% of meeting planners consider the ability to customize content somewhat important, 12% agree it strongly influences their final decision, and less than 1% cite it as a deciding factor. The prominence of personalization reflects the value many meeting planners place on presentations that feel directly relevant to their audiences, especially as personalized events can encourage emotional connections, helping audiences feel understood and valued.
Other considerations attracted lower but still notable levels of discussion. Chemistry during the discovery call is somewhat important for 12%, while fewer than 1% view it as not a factor in making a final selection. Strong referrals from trusted peers strongly influenced 6% and 5% rated this as somewhat important.
At the lower end, discussions about the speaker’s reputation in the industry drew attention from just 1% who said it was a strong influence and 8% who viewed it as somewhat important. Proven Return on Investment (ROI) from past keynotes attracted 7% of discussion as somewhat important, while fewer than 1% considered it not a factor. These insights point to a clear preference for tailored content, with referrals, reputation, chemistry, and demonstrated results playing supporting roles.
What format do meeting planners prefer for a storytelling keynote?
A virtual keynote via Zoom or similar platform is the ideal format for 89% of meeting planners, and it’s a good option for 2%, but it’s not 7%’s preference, while just 2% prefer a keynote followed by a breakout workshop as their chosen format.
Virtual keynotes are by far the most preferred:
Discussion around storytelling keynote delivery is heavily concentrated on virtual formats. For 89% of meeting planners, a virtual keynote delivered via Zoom or a similar platform is the ideal format. A further 2% views virtual delivery as a good option, while 7% indicate it is not their preference.
The prominence of this format reflects the widespread adoption of online event technology, with Zoom maintaining a leading position (55.91%) in the global conferencing market and serving over 300 million users worldwide.
Alternative formats attract far less attention. Just 2% of discussions identify a keynote followed by a breakout workshop as the ideal format. As online communication continues to play a central role in professional events, planners appear to value formats that make it easier to connect speakers and audiences regardless of location.
How do meeting planners prefer to engage a storytelling keynote speaker?
65% of meeting planners prefer to engage a storytelling keynote speaker directly through the speaker’s own website, 19% prefer to do so via a full-service speaker bureau, 14% prefer engaging with a speaker at a live showcase or preview event, 2% want to work through a preferred vendor list or RFP, and1% via a recommendation from a planner peer.
How meeting planners prefer to engage a storytelling keynote speaker is strongly concentrated on direct digital access. 65% of meeting planners want to engage with a storytelling keynote speaker directly through their own website. This indicates a preference for streamlined, first-hand discovery where planners can review content, positioning, and availability in one place.
Other engagement routes generate significantly lower discussion. Full-service speaker bureaus represent 19% of mentions, reflecting continued reliance on curated intermediaries. Live showcases or speaker preview events account for 14%, indicating the value placed on seeing speakers in action before making booking decisions.
Preferred vendor lists or Request for Proposal (RFP) processes account for just 2% of the conversation, while peer recommendations from other planners account for 1%. Overall, there’s an obvious leaning toward direct engagement channels, likely driven by efficiency, transparency, and the ease of comparing speaker profiles and content online when making shortlist decisions.
Which storytelling theme resonates most with meeting planners’ audiences?
Building resilience through personal narrative is the storytelling theme that is somewhat relevant to 52% of meeting planners’ audiences, and winning clients through persuasion and pitch is somewhat relevant for 22%, while 14% find leadership storytelling for culture change somewhat relevant, but 11% don’t find this theme very relevant.
Not all themes resonate the same: 
Conversations around storytelling themes reveal a clear preference for messages centered on resilience and personal growth. For 52% of meeting planners, the storytelling theme that resonates most with their typical audience and is always somewhat relevant is one that focuses on building resilience through personal narrative. The prominence of this theme reflects the continued interest in navigating change, uncertainty, and professional challenges. Leadership research from ResearchGate highlights resilience and adaptability as valuable qualities in modern organizations, which helps to explain why stories of overcoming obstacles continue to resonate so strongly.
Other storytelling themes attracted more moderate levels of attention. 22% of our audience agrees that winning clients through persuasion and pitch is a topic that’s always somewhat relevant, indicating ongoing interest in practical communication and business-development skills.
Leadership storytelling for culture change generated a more mixed response, with 14% viewing it as somewhat relevant and 11% considering it not very relevant. Based on these opinions, meeting planners are particularly drawn to storytelling topics that feel personally relatable, while leadership and sales-focused narratives remain relevant but appeal to more specific audience interests.
Which industry best describes meeting planners’ organizations?
83% of meeting planners work in organizations that fall under financial services and insurance, 15% are in healthcare and life sciences, and 2% in real estate and construction; all of these industries are very people-and worker-centric
Industries are split into three categories:
For 83% of meeting planners in our audience, the financial services and insurance industry best describes their organization. This strong presence of financial organizations is not unusual, given the consistent annual growth and current scale of the sector in the United States. Over 8.6 million people are employed in finance and insurance as of 2026, and this large ecosystem naturally creates substantial demand for conferences, meetings, and keynote presentations.
In contrast, 15% of meeting planners work in healthcare and life sciences organizations, establishing it as the second most visible industry group. Real estate and construction represented a smaller share at 2%. While the latter sectors attracted less attention, their presence reinforces the broad appeal of storytelling-focused keynote presentations across different professional environments.
Which city are meeting planners based in?
40% of meeting planners are based in Chicago, 28% in Austin, 24% in San Francisco, 7% in New York City, and 2% in Los Angeles, creating a spread across major business hubs.
Chicago takes the lead for meeting planners:
A small number of major business and events hubs emerged as the locations where our audience of meeting planners is based. Chicago accounted for the largest share at 40%, well ahead of other cities. Austin followed with 28%, while San Francisco accounted for 24%.
A further 7% of our audience is based in New York City, while 2% are in Los Angeles. Although these shares were smaller, they demonstrate that interest in storytelling-focused events extends across several influential metropolitan areas.
The story doesn’t end with the keynote
These opinions reveal that meeting planners are looking for substance as much as stage presence. They want speakers with a clear point of view, a credible track record, and stories that feel relevant to their audience rather than a one-size-fits-all performance.
A great storytelling keynote is designed to do more than hold an audience’s attention for an hour. The most successful speakers create ideas that spark conversations, reinforce event themes, and leave attendees with messages they can apply long after they leave the room.
About the data
Sourced using Artios from an independent sample of 234,185 opinions of meeting planners in the USA across X, Quora, Reddit, Bluesky, TikTok, and Threads. Responses are collected within a 95% confidence interval and 5% margin of error. Results are derived from what people describe online, from opinions expressed, not actual questions answered by people in the sample.
The Power Of Reading Books: Read More And Move More With Matt Karamazov
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It’s always inspiring how individuals can find motivation and guidance through literature. Matt Karamazov, a fitness model, shares his perspective on reading books as a personal journey and its influence on his life. The books “How to Fail at Almost Everything and Still Win Big” and “Purple Cow” resonated with Matt, helping him develop a resilient mindset and approach life with a growth-oriented attitude in creating a unique identity for himself as a fitness model. He integrated his love for reading books and dedication to staying fit, and he developed a distinctive personal brand that sets him apart from others in the fitness industry. This combination of intellectual and physical pursuits can provide a compelling story and potentially open doors to new opportunities for him. His story serves as a reminder of the transformative impact that books can have on individuals and their ability to shape their paths. Tune in and see how Matt used the power of reading and his journey to design a fulfilling life.
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The Power Of Reading Books: Read More And Move More With Matt Karamazov
Imagine the knowledge you’d have if you read over 1,000 books. That’s what our guest, Matt, has done. He’s going to share with you how he became such a fanatic almost about reading and why he loves it so much then wants to encourage everyone else to start reading as well as moving more. He’s also a fitness model. Enjoy the episode and find out how he combines his two passions.
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Our guest is Matt Karamazov. He’s an enthusiastic, lifelong reader, a business owner, and a fitness model who’s taken to the internet to inspire people to read more and move more. Every day on social media, he shares with more than 100,000 of his followers the magic and power of books and reading, the transformational benefits of fitness and being healthy inside and out, and the once-in-a-universe miracle of being alive at all.
He also teaches self-discipline and the supreme importance of laying out a vision of where you want to go in life and the profound truth of the fact that where you start off doesn’t have to be where you end up. He’s gone through it all from earning minimum wage as a hospital security guard to starting his own record label back to the bottom and now to his level of business success and life satisfaction. He never stopped working, never stopped getting back up, and never stopped reading. Welcome to the show, Matt.
John, thanks very much for having me. I’ve been looking forward to this for a long time.
Likewise. I’m very impressed with your Instagram creation and the success you have. Let’s not make anybody wait one second longer. I usually save this for the end, but if somebody’s curious and they need to know, give us your handle on Instagram.
It’s @TheMattKaramazov. It’s fairly simple to find. Just look for the guy in the library holding the stack of books. That will be my profile picture.
What started first, the passion for reading or the passion for working out?
I would have to say reading. I can’t claim 100% credit for that either because my parents and my early influences are a huge part of the reader that I eventually became. I started off well, as most kids do with parents who are committed readers and learners themselves. Our house was always full of books and they took my education seriously. They took my questions seriously and they took me seriously.
They encouraged me to read. They read to me, which is probably the first book that I ever read was read to me. It was just swimming in that water that was how I came to love it. I’m certain that came first, then my father continues to be supportive of fitness and health and all that. He was an excellent hockey player in the ‘60s. We’ve always been active in our house and my mother too. I’ve had both of those things.
You had both reading and fitness modeled for you.
Yes. I’m a big believer in surrounding yourself with the people that you most like to be like or to become. If you spend time with non-readers, you’re going to become a non-reader even if you do read quite a bit already.
There’s been research about fitness and hanging out with people who are fit or people who are fat. The same thing is true. It’s interesting because I noticed once, I was with a group of people who wanted to go out and go grab fast food at 2:00 in the morning. I’m like, “I haven’t done that since college.” People still do that into their 40s or whatever or longer. If you’re likewise with people who are fit, they’re like, “We’re going on a bike ride, want to come?” You maybe wouldn’t have gone on a bike ride without that encouragement. One way or the other, peer pressure influences how fit we are, which is bizarre when you think about it.
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We don’t rise to the level of our bowls or whatever. We fall to the level of our systems, habits, support group, and peer network, which is important. There’s a somewhat tragic fact that I read in an excellent book by Maryanne Wolf. Her books are phenomenal. They’re all about the neuroscience of reading and how reading develops in the brain or doesn’t. She talks about dyslexia and all that.
In one of her books, Reader, Come Home, which is one I highly recommend, she mentions that in the United States, the National Bureau of Prisons uses 4th-grade reading statistics to predict how many prison beds they’re likely to need in the future. They’re able to take that information and predict how many criminals they will have because of the lack of reading education that someone has.
I also remember the first time I heard somebody say, “If you know how to read and write and you stop doing it after school, you might as well be illiterate.” I went, “Wow.”
The word or the term I’ve heard is functionally illiterate. You can read but you don’t. What’s the difference?
Do you think it comes down to a lack of curiosity for some people?
I think so. There are influences, for sure. We live in an attention economy. Attention is the new oil, essentially. You wanted to get rich in the last century. You owned oil companies. The century before that, it was railroads, but in this century, if you want to get rich, you have to command attention. Big businesses now are fighting for your attention, pulling you away.
Whenever you’re trying to pull yourself away from your phone, there are 1,000 software engineers on the other side of your screen trying to stop you. There are incentives that people have, big ones to prevent you from reading. You have to fight against that, and how do you even do that? There’s a lot of stuff working against you.
We were joking, but it’s true. Part of what you do, because it’s one of your assets, is showing yourself with your shirt off because you’re a fitness model. Tell us about that journey. How did that happen? Did you find a lot of other models reading, or did they think it was odd that you were into reading?
It’s never been negative. Not surprisingly, I’m going to mention two books to answer your question. One is by Scott Adams, the creator of Dilbert, who turns out to be a brilliant businessperson. He’s doing well. His book is called How to Fail at Almost Everything and Still Win Big. I listened to the audio version years ago. What he says is, “It’s so much harder to become the top 1% in one thing, but it’s a lot easier to become top 10% in two things and build your career at the intersection of those two things.”
What he said is that there are plenty of people who are funnier than he is, but he’s pretty funny. There are plenty of people that are better artists and cartoonists than he is, but he’s pretty good at drawing. He combined those two things and now he is an exceptionally lucrative and rewarding career in every sense of that term by being 10% in two things and combining them.
The other book is Seth Godin. He’s excellent as well. It’s called Purple Cow. The whole idea is standing out. You’re not going to mention to a friend of yours that you saw a white cow or brown cow. Everybody sees those, but if you see a purple cow standing in the field, you’re going to mention that and you’re going to tell some people. If you’re building a product, designing a career, and if you want people to pay attention to you, which is more important now than ever in a business sense, you’re going to want to be remarkable. You want to be a purple cow. I found combining books and fitness to make yourself into a purple cow.
Those two things don’t usually go together. A bookworm is not usually a fitness model.
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It’s a scroll stopper. You scroll down, it’s the same different, and that gets people to stop.
I love it. This concept also that your promise on your Instagram is to gain wisdom and strength. You mean it in the little word of strength. Also, there’s a stoic character strength implied there, I believe.
Correct. My reading has informed everything that I do, all the decisions that I make, and my ability to empathize with people. That’s a scientific fact. There’s so much involved in using books to design the life that you want to live. The world is more confusing than ever. It’s moving faster than ever. I’m still coming to terms with AI and incorporating that into my business. However, I’m behind that. It’s almost impossible to keep up. How do you do that? Wisdom, you can’t be dragged along with the current. You have to take a step back. Holding a book is like holding a handful of silence. You need those spaces within the day to make sense of things and where you’re going. It’s so critically important.
That’s a great soundbite, holding a book is like holding a handful of silence. I’ve never heard anybody say that before.
I can’t take credit for it, but it is something that I say a lot.
The irony is you’re making a career and a business out of having a huge following on Instagram, but you turn it off and read a book.
You have to. There’s no other way. I’m not always successful at this. Who is? After posting something on Instagram, I try to pull myself away and do something else because you can get it.
As you said, the algorithms. It’s so funny you were talking about AI. I saw a post you made about using AI to create art, which a lot of people I don’t think are aware of. You and I were talking about the respective libraries in Austin and Halifax and how beautiful they are as a piece of architecture. When I was growing up in the suburbs of Chicago, it was another building. There was no design to it. Now, to see it become this place of awe almost, that translates to the feeling of all the knowledge that’s in all those books in one place.
I stayed at a Library Boutique Hotel in Manhattan. In each hotel room is a bookshelf with books all color coded. You’re in room 405 and they give you the code. It’s a Dewey decimal system as if you’re going to an old school library. That retro, everything old is new again. It’s quite interesting to see that concept of, “How do you feel about people consuming books audible versus reading them?”
I listen to a fair amount of audiobooks. Brian Tracy, the personal development legend, I don’t even think this is his term. I think he’s borrowing from Jim Rohn or something. He says, “You can turn your car into a university on wheels.” I still remember that. I started off reading Brian Tracy years ago. You can do that with anything. There’s value in pulling away from everything like doing the dishes with no music. Nothing, just you and yourself. There’s value.
At the same time, sometimes you can do certain things and combine them. Multitasking is usually a horrible idea. It doesn’t work. You’re switching from one thing to another. There are switching costs involved in that. It diminishes your brain power, but you can do certain things. You can wash dishes or go for a walk around the block. You can do all these things and listen to books at the same time, especially if it’s read by the author. In some of my best reading experiences, I read Steven Pressfield’s memoir, Govt Cheese, which is a phenomenal book. The title makes sense. He explains it in the book.
David Goggins narrates his own books. He had in that chapter nine of his book, Never Finished, which is another fantastic one, just sold a million copies. His mother joins him on the audio version. They were in an interview in chapter nine, I believe. In the print version, it doesn’t show up. You’d have that portion of it. I read or listened to a bunch of Eric Thomas, the speaker or the motivational speaker. I love him. I’m listening to one of his books now. It can be a completely different listening versus reading experience. I take notes on every single book that I read.
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How do you store those books? Are they in a journal or are they digitally taken notes?
They’re digitally stored. I have them on my Patreon. They’re all in Google Drive and they’re searchable too. It makes me nervous. There’s nothing wrong with this, but when they write in the margins of their books and highlight passages, what if there’s a fire? You move and the moving company misplaces the box and you’ve lost all of these notes.
You can do that if you like but, as I said, that makes me a little bit nervous. I take notes on everything. Speaking of audiobooks, I find it a little bit harder to take notes on audiobooks because I’d have to pause the book and rewind it or pause it every few words to take down the notes. It’s a little bit harder. If I expect to take a tremendous amount of notes on a book, I’m more likely to read the physical book as opposed to listening to the audio. That’s one of the things that I would mention. I believe the audiobooks are real books.
How many total books have you consumed, whether it’s Audible or reading in your lifetime, or since you started taking notes on them?
I know exactly. Since 2014, 1,179. One thing to say about that, and I will be the first to say this. The number that you’ve read doesn’t necessarily mean all that much. It’s a vanity metric through and through. I’ll be the first to admit that. One of the things that I find is it is very motivating to track, especially because I keep a list of all these finished books. That list is about 25 or 26 pages long. I can look back on that list and scroll. It’s a huge sense of accomplishment. I read all those books and I’ve got these thousands of pages of notes on all these thousand-plus books.
Your brain becomes almost like an AI because if you can retain it, you can start recommending a title in a book and give a quick sound bite from the book or something you’ve learned. Do you find one author that entices you to want to read all their books or at least look at other ones?
That’s how I find out about an awful lot of books as well, especially in the beginning when you don’t know what books are out there. You’ll find a book that you love and you’ll see an author mentions somebody else in their book. I used to read and listen to a lot of Wayne Dyer years ago. I love Wayne. He’s fantastic. He mentioned Alan Watts a lot. He referenced Tao Te Ching and all these books. I started reading them a lot based on his recommendation.
Alan Watts is phenomenal. He is one of my favorite writers ever. You go from Alan Watts, then you realize that he was friends with Christian Murdy. Christian Murdy is one of my absolute favorites, then you move on to him and it builds on itself. You had no idea when you started reading Wayne Dyer that this other guy, Christian Murdy, existed and you built that network of associations in your mind.
Do you have specific genres when you have read this many books? Do you read horror movies? Do you read comic books? Is it metaphysical, self-help, business, or I-don’t-read-finance books? Do you find yourself specializing in the genres of books?
Not really. I have certain go-to favorites. The way I usually choose what to read is by whatever problem that I currently have or whatever I’m trying to get better at. That’s a good filter for reading. If you run a business and you’re having trouble converting leads into customers, read something like $100M Offers by Alex Hormozi, which is one of the best books on offer creation that I’ve ever read.
If you’re having that problem, that book is going to solve it. If you’re trying to improve your relationships or whatever, there’s a book for that. There’s a book for every single problem. No matter what problem you ever faced in your entire life, there’s someone else who has solved or faced a similar problem and has come at least a little bit of a way towards solving it and they’ve written about their experiences in a book that you can read almost literally for free, which is astonishing on a level that’s stupid.
Now I imagine you read a lot of fitness books.

Evolution: The Cutting Edge Guide to Breaking Down Mental Walls and Building the Body You’ve Always Wanted
One of a guy named, Joe Manganiello, the actor. He was in not Twilight. He was in something. It’s something vampire related. Possibly True Blood. Anyway, he’s got an excellent book that I read years ago called Evolution and he inspired me quite a bit in terms of what fitness, health, and being in excellent shape can do for you. I haven’t even looked at my notes from that book in years, but one of the things that he said in the book is, “Earn your sleep each night.” I try to go to bed completely exhausted in every sense. You can twist that a little bit in a negative sense. I don’t mean wearing yourself to the bone every day.
I’ve read a lot of books on insomnia and things like that. They all talk that sleep is about recovery. If there’s nothing to recover from, no wonder you’re having trouble sleeping. I love that idea. I see the connection that there are a lot of mental health reasons to stay fit or, as you said, move. Get outside and take a walk. It doesn’t have to be this marathon where you’re sweating to death.
You have different fitness goals depending on your marital status. That’s a real thing. Also, your business goals. This is more superficial, but it’s a social reality. People will take a look at you and they’ll make certain snap judgments about you if you have this baseline level of physical competence that you display. This confidence comes with being healthy. That’s an energy that speaks for you as well.
It’s very interesting because a lot of people over-index in one area versus another. A lot of fitness instructors don’t have any money and are struggling. There are a lot of successful business people who are out of shape and they look like they’re one heart attack away. The ability to combine both gives people a sense of, “It’s not leaking out. It’s not visible.” If you’re overweight, it’s like a first impression thing.
There’s all the prejudice that goes along with it and a lot of self-loathing that goes with it. My weight’s gone up and down in my life. I know what that feels like. I remember a friend of mine getting gastric bypass surgery and losing weight from it. I said, “How do you feel now?” She wasn’t thin, but she was thinner than she was. She goes, “I hate myself a little less.” I was like, “How sad.”
My feeling is that you shouldn’t work out because you hate yourself. I say you shouldn’t. Feelings aren’t wrong. You might feel that way, but ideally, you wouldn’t feel that way. Ideally, you would work out because you know how good it makes you feel. You do it because you love yourself. You want to take care of yourself.
That brings up an interesting concept, which is the difference between internally motivated and externally motivated. When I was working with Lexus, when they were launching their car in the US, they said, “We’re competing against BMW and Mercedes.” Those brands have been in the US for decades longer than us. We don’t have any brand awareness at this point, yet we’re trying to get people to buy our car instead of those.
We have to go after internally motivated people. You could drive a BMW because you’re an agent in Hollywood and you have to wear an Armani suit and drive a BMW. That’s what the part of the package. That’s external, but there are all people who drive BMWs because they like the way it feels. They appreciate the workmanship and whatever. They’re not trying to impress anybody with it.
I thought, “That’s so true on so many different things.” You can be working out to try and compensate for self-loathing, “I’m never good enough.” You look at your own body. Even Arnold Schwarzenegger, we were talking about that before the show, admits that he never was ever satisfied with his body. Some people go, “I kept trying to work on it.” I’ve watched documentaries on models having worked in the fashion business. The same thing is true. You look at this gorgeous picture and everything is perfect.
They say something wrong that you don’t.
They remember they felt fat that day or whatever. I’m like, “My God,” or they can’t live up to that. They feel, “If I’m not at this perfect age anymore, I’m no longer lovable or attractive.” Moving through all of that, going back to Wayne Dyer, it’s not letting anything outside of ourselves define our self-worth.
It is hugely important. It is something I steadfastly believe, I don’t think you have to do anything extra in order to be valuable as a human being like infinitely so. There’s nothing you have to do or achieve or become other than yourself. There’s another excellent book. I can’t help myself from dropping these recommendations. It’s On Becoming A Person by Carl Rogers, the depth psychologist. He’s a brilliant man. His idea of unconditional positive regard and that’s how he approached all his clients. That’s how I try to approach everyone as well. You don’t have to do anything. It’s unconditional that you regard people in a positive light. It’s such a better way of moving through life.
We want that from our partners, friends, and coworkers. How can we give it if we haven’t given it to ourselves first? You help authors who have a new book coming out. My first question is, how do you help authors get the word out and get this attention as oil for their new book? It’s a crowded field. Every book is competing with everything from TikTok. Not to mention the other books. Unless you’re Michelle Obama coming out with a new book, you may have a little trouble breaking through it. You have figured out a nice formula. You were kind enough to do it for my book, The Sale Is in the Tale. Tell us what you do and some of the outcomes. If you have a little story about that, that would be great.
Your book was easy because it’s good. I felt good about sharing it. That’s a big thing for me. I can make a lot more money than I do now.
You’re staying your own integrity and your brand. You’ve built up trust with your followers for that.
They’re not stupid. If you recommend a bad book, they’re not going to trust you. Trust is hugely important. It will be even more important in the future than it is now. It’s everything now. Trust is big. The authors that I work with already know quite a bit of this stuff. It’s not even my nature to condescend to people who assume that they don’t know what I know. What I do is share what I know about positioning yourself in a remarkable way to avoid being lost in the noise.
There are so many books being published every day. A lot of them are marketed in a lazy unoriginal way as well. It’s fantastic news for authors because it’s incredibly difficult to stand out. It’s not going to happen just because you wrote a book. Nobody cares. At the same time, you’re competing against this level of average. It’s a pretty low bar. When people’s attention spans are going down, they’re not willing to put in this extra level of work.
A dumb phrase that I say a lot is it’s never crowded along the extra mile. That’s from Brian Tracy. It’s true. You don’t have to do much to separate yourself a little bit. If you make that extra effort, things can happen. It’s not about doing the hard work and the creative work, but it’s about doing it every single day for a long enough period of time, extending your time horizon as well.
On a long enough time scale, everyone gives up. Most people give up. As unflashy as it is, one of the easiest but best ways to succeed is don’t stop. I’ve been hosting and getting better and consciously improving my craft every single day for years before anybody ever heard of me. It all compounds and you don’t stop. You keep iterating and trying to improve and evolve. Things will happen. I try to teach authors that and share that with them.
What a great resilience level. It applies to fitness, writing a book, and life.
It also goes back to what we were talking about before about your pure network. Some of my posts are better than others. People like them. There are so many people who are doing fantastic, original, wildly innovative things online. I’m like, “I wish that I could do that or I wish I thought of that.” Some people would think that’s a bad thing. There are already people doing this. They’re inspiring you with their example. They’re showing you what’s possible. You can’t steal that from what they’re doing or steal their exact thing but you can use it. You can take what they’re doing well, improve what you’re doing, and create your own signature style over time.
I noticed even myself running my books on storytelling in sales that there have been a lot of people who’ve written books on sales, but no one has my story and my experience. Everyone has their own take on something. It doesn’t have to reinvent the mouse trap. It can be 10% different that will appeal to you and somebody will resonate with the way you’re saying it versus somebody else. Don’t be so obsessed about worrying about how many books you sell. Instead, worry about why you want to do this in the first place because it’s going to be more work than you anticipate usually.
Someone said, if it’s easy, everybody would do it. Many people have a dream of being an author like they have a dream of having a six-pack if you’re a guy. All of those dreams come true. At the end of the day, you go, “I’m still me. I wrote a book. I have a six-pack. Do I love myself anymore? Am I any happier? Did something magically happen?” Probably not.
Wherever you go, there you are.
That journey concept as opposed to the destination is the process. Any last thought, quote, or book you want to recommend before we say goodbye?
I’ll lead in with a Naval Ravikant quote. The quote itself is, “Read what you love until you love to read,” which is against the idea that there’s a specific reading list of books you must read before you turn 40 or whatever. There’s no list. Nobody can tell you what to read or what’s going to be good for you. You have to make your own decisions, and you can. Read what you love until you love to read. There are no wrong answers. There’s another quote too like, “The child who reads Harry Potter will grow into the teenager who reads The Catcher in the Rye and he’ll become an adult who reads Crime and Punishment.” There’s no judgment. Another quote I love goes, “If you didn’t come from a family of readers, make sure that a family of readers comes from you.”
I love that one. That’s one of my favorites. I have a bunch. On my website, I’ve got my reading list. All the list of books that I told you about, it’s all there. It’s listed with a few of my favorites. There are people you can draw from. As we said earlier, choose what you read based on the current problem that you’re facing. That’s an excellent filter.
Also, someone you admire. Most of the people who have done things of consequence, who are out there inspiring people, they’re readers. It’s no coincidence. A lot of them have spoken publicly about the books that have formed them and shaped their own lives. You take someone that you admire and you find out what books they’ve read, then you maybe start there.
Also, if people want to work with you one-on-one, you have a very limited space for that where you’re helping them either both get in shape mentally and physically and get their goals to come true. You certainly have modeled that. Anybody that’s going to be a good Sherpa, it’s you. I highly recommend people check that out if that’s of service to them.
Thank you so much, John. I appreciate that.
Give us the handle for your Instagram and we’ll send as many people there as we can.
It’s @TheMattKaramazov on Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, and all that. My website has my reading list, my recommended books, and all of that. I also have a newsletter that I send out each week. It’s called The Reading Life. About 2,000 people get it. All of my best book recommendations as I read them are there, including books that not a whole lot of people know about. I try and mention it first.
You’re curating everything for us. It’s fantastic. Your website is your name?
Yes, MattKaramazov.com.
Thanks, Matt. You’ve been a great guest.
Thanks, John.
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